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Collie & Their Noses- July07 update	Collie Colours	Insurance for Show Dogs?	Breed Statistics
Blue Merle to Blue merle Breeding	Dog Food???	KC CC Allocations Rough Collies new	New Green Star System for Ireland
Dog/Horse shows under threat from EU ruling.	Crufts entry figures 2006	Crufts entry figures 2007	Pet Temp - Ear Thermometer
European Convention for Animals, possible new restrictions	HMD	Dogs Trust Petition	Collie & its Nose
China Story and petition	Petition for Champions class	Dog Control Orders by Local Authorities.	Warning to watch what is about when walking your dogs
Restriction of Fireworks petition.	ExtraComfort Memory Foam Beds	-	-

Relevant at this time of year especially - this is a link to sign a petition to keep fireworks restricted to official displays only - follow the link below...2,800 have signed to date, deadline is the 19 December.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Firework-abuse/

Denise Barley has lost her Braemoray Summer Dawn at Runival in tragic cicumstances.
Denise was walking her dogs on the Racecourse at York when she noticed Summer eating bread that had been scattered/ She managed to stop her after just a couple of mouthfuls but within 30 minutes Summer was vomiting an showing obvious signs of poisoning. She dies only hours later.
Police are investigating, but this incident serves as a warning to everyone to watch out for any food that has been left in fields and pathways. Its is difficult to imagine the mentality of someone who could deliberately place poison in a publis place where it could so easily kill domestic pets or even children.
Not the first case of this we have heard of recently. Our friends in Wales have had an extremely sick animal after it picked up and eat poisoned bait that had been left by a Badger set, illegal but it happens.

Link to the petition going round re Champion classes
PETITION

You may be aware that the government is about to sign the European Convention For Pet Animals.
If they sign it will mean the end of certain breeds of dogs, Cat, Poultry, Pigeons, rabbits, and rare breed livestock , which are /may be deemed as Abnormal !
For example in dogs any Short Faced ( Brachycephalic ) breed has to be changed or will be banned. Take the Pekingese as an example, They state that this breed needs to bred with longer straight legs, have a protruding muzzle , small eyes and less coat !( sounds like a tibetan spaniel to me )
Blue breeding in any breed is also a no go area . Blue Merle will be banned as they deem them to have too many " recessive genes " ( correct me here but recessive genes are in ALL forms of life are they not?) In cats , its the hairless, Peke faced Persians , scottish fold etc

In Poultry its Japanese and they have legs that are too short to have a healthy life !!???
Any poultry will feathered legs and feet .( same in pigeons).
I can hear you saying now, "it wont happen here " believe me it will,
There is only The UK and The Germans who blindly follow each and every Law that the EU passes ! Remember that.
In Sweden they have Implemented the 5 studs rule and in some breeds the Bloodlines have been descimated, In gemany they are have not only brought in breed specific Legislation , but have also banned the breeding of Harlequin Great Danes and Blues In breeding programmes
PLEASE take just a few minutes to sign the online petition .
Regards Roy Stott

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/EUConvention/

A viewer asked if I would put these links on about the recent publicised events in China as reported in the Daily Mail.
First link is to the report and second link is to a petition to try and stop this terrible treatment of cats and dogs. Pictures are not for the squeamish.......photos Daily Mail

Link to Daily Mail story

Link to petition - Please sign

Thank you for your recent petition concerning animal cruelty in China.

The UK Government has a strong track record on animal welfare issues. As you are no doubt aware, we have banned fur farming in this country (through The Fur Farming (Prohibition) Act 2000 for England and Wales and The Fur Farming (Prohibition) Act (Scotland) 2002). There are also bans on the import of fur originating from countries using trapping methods which do not meet international humane trapping standards (EEC Regulation 3254/91), and the Import of Seal Skins Regulations 1986 (S.I. No 2686/1996)

The Government take seriously reports of animal cruelty throughout the world, and the UK is at the forefront of international efforts to protect the interests of animals. The Government welcome the work that non-governmental organisations, such as the International Fund for Animal Welfare, Care for the Wild and the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, undertake with the Chinese authorities to improve standards of animal welfare and to gradually build support for animal welfare issues there. The Government raise our concerns directly with the Chinese government where appropriate. Barry Gardiner, former DEFRA Minister, and Ian McCartney, former Foreign and Commonwealth Office Minister, both raised animal welfare issues with the Chinese government during their respective visits to China in July 2006.

European-wide work to address animal welfare issues is also being undertaken. In January 2006, the European Commission published its Action Plan on the Protection and Welfare of Animals to address such issues. The UK has been fully supportive of an EU-wide ban on the import, export and sale (placing on the market) of domestic cat and dog fur and products containing such fur.

The UK Government also works with other countries to promote the conservation of the world's wildlife through membership of agreements such as the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES). Through this agreement, 172 nation states protect endangered species of plants and animals by restricting and monitoring international trade in them.

The Government remains committed to raising standards of animal welfare at home and abroad.

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HMD - Hepatic Micro Vascular Dysplasia in Rough Collies.

If you follow the following link to the article on HMD on the veterinary section...if you would like to add comments in this forum please email me on collienet2000@aol.com and I will add your comments to this page. Update added July 07

New Green Star System for Ireland

At the An Ard Chomhairle meeting in Dublin on Friday, 3rd November, the delegates agreed to a change to the Green Star system which has been in operation since January 1978, which in itself had been the first major change since the formation of the Irish Kennel Club in 1922. The new system will come into operation from January 2007 and will be subject to review in 2009.

The current points system will be replaced with a simple numerical calculation of seven green stars won under seven different judges. To ensure a smooth transition from old to new, a conversion will be applied from points already gained under the old system.

Points won under the old system will be converted as follows –

1 - 5 points counts as 1 Green Star

6 – 11 points counts as 2 Green Stars

12 – 18 points counts as 3 Green Stars

19 – 24 points counts as 4 Green Stars

25 – 31 points counts as 5 Green Stars

32 points or more count as 6 Green Stars

Grading will also be introduced at all Championship shows and only those dogs graded Excellent (or in the case of puppies-Very Promising) will be allowed to compete for the green star. There would be a stipulation that 1 Green Star must be won after the age of 15 months. Champions will also be eligible to compete for the green star.

There will no longer be any enhancement for Group wins.

The title of Annual Champion in each breed will be awarded to the dog with the highest number of Green Stars won in the calendar year. In the event of a tie, the award will be made to the dog with the greater number of Best of Breed wins.

These changes come on the back of the decision to implement 10 groups at all Championship shows from June 2007; these will mirror the FCI groupings and will see some breeds move from their traditional home, eg. Dalmatians into Group 6 along with Beagles and Bassets, an influx into Group 5 of the Pomeranian, Siberian Husky and Samoyed and other Nordic and Spitz breeds, the merging of the Toys and remaining Utility breeds into the Companion Group 9 and the prospect of the Miniature Schnauzer and the Affenpinscher taking on the mighty St Bernard in Group 2. Dachshund will have their own group, Group 4 and the Gundogs will be split into Groups 7 and 8.
Irish Canine Press

Belfast Dog Show Society – Future allocation of Challenge Certificates

The Kennel Club has worked in close conjunction with the Belfast Dog Show Society to agree a change to the way that Challenge Certificates are allocated to the society. This has resulted in an increase in the number of CCs available to both Belfast and to the rest of the UK also.

The Kennel Club conducted detailed statistical research on the dogs exhibited at shows on the island of Ireland, and it became apparent that, due to the expanse of water between Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the local breed population and show entries needed to be looked at in a completely different way. It has been agreed that a rather different mix of CCs than has previously been allocated to the Belfast Championship Show, would be more appropriate for all parties.

Representatives from the Belfast DSS held an extremely constructive meeting with the Kennel Club to discuss this issue, and a proposal put forward by the Kennel Club on the most appropriate breeds to be allocated CCs there, was subsequently accepted by the Belfast DSS committee.

The effect of this proposal is that Belfast show entry statistics will be excluded from the formula used to calculate the number of CCs available for allocation each year in the rest of the UK. Therefore, in future, only the General Championship show entry figures for such shows held in England, Scotland and Wales will be used. In so doing the calculations will no longer be coloured by the lower entries received by the Belfast show which are inevitable due to the difficulties in crossing the Irish Sea.

The Kennel Club has agreed that CCs should be allocated to the Belfast Championship Show for all native Irish breeds which have championship status, and has recognised for CC status a different mix of breeds for which entries have been generally strong in Ireland. This has resulted in some extra sets of CCs becoming available to Belfast for 2009, and full details of this new allocation of CCs are included on the general and group championship show allocation chart in the October issue of the Kennel Gazette.

As Belfast’s entry statistics will no longer feature in the CC calculations for the rest of the United Kingdom, the CCs for breeds traditionally allocated to the Belfast Championship Show have all been re-allocated to shows on the UK mainland, thus increasing this number also. Where possible, breed club rotations have been cancelled, joint breed clubs’ championship shows will be offered and, following representation from breed clubs or councils, CCs have been restored to certain general championship shows. There has also been an emphasis on the number of re-allocations to general championship shows in the north of England and south of Scotland in an attempt to help areas which traditionally supported the Belfast show with entries and may have lost the opportunity to do so.

Said Ronnie Irving, Chairman of the Kennel Club: “We believe that this decision represents a beneficial situation for all concerned. By restructuring the Belfast Championship Show allocation, this will aid the Society in its continued efforts to attract more exhibitors and achieve a successful championship show. The increased number of CCs released for elsewhere, also allows us to improve the situation for many other clubs and societies. While we can’t unfortunately meet everyone’s wishes, we have been able to cancel some rotations and give some breeds an allocation which is closer to what they have said they want.”

25th September 2006

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? WHICH DOG FOOD...??

Following on from a piece we did in the Bugle sometime ago, I was asked by a viewer to ask the same question to viewers of Collienet...
That being..what type or make of dog food do you use? Tinned, Dry, Natural...?
Are their any particular reasons why you feed this food..?...
Have you found some do not suit your dogs?
Do you use a low protein food? or high?
When one has reason to contact dog food manufacturers because for instance you need a diet which has this in it..or perhaps is gluten free, or low protein..etc whatever the reason. It all gets very confusing as of course the manufacturer is always going to praise their own food....

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Comments will be added below.

I feed my dogs Burns,which is gluten free,low in protein,very good for over weight and old dogs, I also feed Redmills when bit more weight needed,both foods i recommend having fed both foods for quiet a while, at the moment my youngster is on burns as it easly puts weight on. My 4yr old is on Redmills to gain weight, all 4 dogs have glossy coats and no skin probs,my brothers jrt came to us with very severe skin problems, skin test done at the vets and he couldn't say what the prob was put him straight on Burns and problem cured.
Heather,SkyeBarron,Holly all love their food, Cathy Jessop.

CRUFTS ENTRY FIGURES 2006

Bearded Collies 326 making 381 entries

Border Collies 394 making 465 entries

Collie (Rough) 240 making 278 entries

Collie (Smooth) 60 making 67 entries

Shetland Sheepdog 338 making 398 entries

CRUFTS ENTRY FIGURES 2007

Bearded Collies 346 making 411 entries

Border Collies 413 making 480 entries

Collie [Rough] 306 making 347 entries

Collie [Smooth] 75 making 84 entries

Shetland Sheepdog 329 making 404 entries

Breed Registration figures 1996 - 2007
YEAR	ROUGH COLLIES	SMOOTH COLLIES	SHETLAND SHEEPDOGS	BEARDED COLLIES	BORDER COLLIES
1996	2939	76	3092	1318	2218
1997	2459	84	2662	1286	2405
1998	2339	48	2407	1119	2245
1999	2113	82	2185	1034	1891
2000	1883	56	2103	952	1920
2001	1659	58	1673	721	2010
2002	1492	85	1500	901	2113
2003	1377	77	1684	668	2111
2004	1241	72	1638	821	2230
2005	1258	72	1596	650	2247
2006	1023	53	1577	720	2219
2007 [Spring & Summer]	337/376	12/15	372/427	125/194	606/602

A Rough Collie & its Nose

A 2 year old sable rough bitch - at approx 16 months of age the base of her nose started to turn pink, some weeks prior I had used some 'dog friendly' fertilizer on the lawn, and had also washed her 'fluffy' toys in the washing powder. She is also a very destructive girl, and has destroyed numerous cushions and duvet covers as she seems to have a fetish with the fillings!

The whole of the nose is now a dark liver colour, it does look black in some lights, and the whole of her bottom lip is a fleshy pink. No crustiness, weeping or irritation of the nose, and the vet confirms it is not discoid lupus (collie nose).

Preparations tried: Dorwest herbs Kelp and Seaweed powder and tablets, Fit n Fertile, Dorwest herbs Elderberry and Nettle extract, Maritime Pine Bark Extract (shipped at great expense from Australia!), Flax Oil, Dandelion Tea, ground Millet, and Vitamin E. Have also put some anti fungal cream on the nose after someone suggested it may be a yeast infection, together with using Colloidal Silver although this has only been for two weeks, so still time for this to work.

Vet has said there is no sign of an allergy, no thickening of the skin, and a biopsy would involve a sedative and taking a small weeny slice from her nose, which he can't warrant performing at this stage. She does have dermititis of the vulva and is now on a course of anti biotics and the vet has given some Calopderm liquid as this is useful in skin allergies. She is very lively, and has a ferocious appetite. Any ideas?

I have also tried raw and cooked spinach

Any ideas on this, would be greatly appreciated

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Thanks to our viewers for these replies so far:

"Just a idea, but plastic bowls can cause dogs to lose pigmentation in the nose. Also, if this bitch is ripping beds up its possible that some of them have a plastic based filling which could be causing the problem, or she could perhaps be rubbing her nose off some kind of problematic plastic."

We too have problems with our collies nose, biopsies performed and no further forward. However, a blood test did show that he had low thryriod problems, second blood test showed just normal so not being treated at present. Just wondered if that might be your young bitch's problem. (my collie is a 2 yr old male).

http://www.sunessencesforanimals.com/personalisedforanimals.html

might be worth a whirl!!!!

message from owner
'With the pigmentation now returning, and after trying numerous products over the last six months, more recently more than one at a time - I contacted the lady from Sun Essences and she very kindly offered to look at a sample of her fur - she has come back to me today to say that she is as sure as she can be that the Colloidial Silver is what is bringing the pigmentation back'

New message in on the nose issue - 22nd June
Some years ago when one of our collies' nose went pink and completely scabby all the way up to the stop, I carefully took the scab off and put dermisol all over the area it cleared up very quickly and all the hair and pigmentation came back. We used it for numerous problems i.e getting rid of warts the dead piece had to be taken of then the cream applied twice a day over several days but they never came back, cuts, itchy areas, my friend used it on bite wound when two of her collies had a fight, we even use it on ourselves. Any thing we found the opposite to the other comments when we used metal bowls they lost pigmentation and had to change to plastic.

New message on this issue - 29th Sept
Hello - I would like to add something which may be of interest on the subject of collie nose. We had a smooth blue merle collie who was subject to scabs just above the black part ot the nose (Is there a term for that in English?) Our vet diagnosed collie nose which she said was due to a reaction to the sun. She tattooed the nose (under anaesthetic of course) and we had no further problems as the pigmentation protected against the sun's rays.
Another problem suffered by both our smooth collies was a loss of pigment on the black part of the nose (truffe in French)(truffle) and on the part of the lips where the whiskers are. The colouring of this was a purplish pink.
As both dogs were fervent mousers (having a technique of one digging while one guarded the "back door"), the vet thought they probably had a fungal infection and reccommended bathing them with Betadine (an iodine preparation) each day. this worked well, but needed perseverance.
Hope these tips may be of use to other collie owners Dianne Taimsalu in the south of France

New message 14th June 2007
I once had the problem with the nose and lips turning pink. A blood test told me there was a lack of balance in the hormones. I had some remedies sent from a firm in England called TRIDEX. These helped a little. Just make sure you do not feed anything that contains maise as this kills pigmentation, and give fish liver oil on the food.
Astri in Norway

Follow up 14th June 2007
Six months after the nose started to lose its pigmentation, the lids of the eyes turned pink and we thought they were both related - we had various blood tests etc, and purely by accident I mentioned to the vet that she was licking herself a lot. It turned out she had vaginitis and after treating this successfully, and stopping her licking, the pigmentation has returned (not sure if the collodial silver helped as well, but it didnt do her any harm) although we were still left with pink around the eyes. A few months later I noticed she seemed to have problems keeping her eyes open, and although there was no discharge, a visit to the vets diagnosed quite severe 'dry eye' and this is being treated with optimmune drops on a daily basis, and again the pigmentation has returned around here eyes. So after 18 months, it transpires that the two were not related.

More help received 17th June
I am wondering what dog food you are feeding? There are so many additives and preservatives in all dog foods they have been processed to the hilt till there is next to no goodness left. Oh yes they say there are all these really great things in there and possibly there were before this dog food was put through a high heat process Have you tried feeding your dog a raw diet?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding take a look at this site and you may find some answers there that will help your dog. Edith edefreedom1945@sympatico.ca

More help received 25th June
I was reading the collie forum and found this topic about nose & lips turning pink and additional skin irritation.

Just wanted to point out what nobody has yet suggested; it might be due to autoimmune reaction. One of my breeding has this problem and I have done lots and lots of research and consulting the vets, and it seems this is very typical slight autoimmune problem, even if not diagnosed as the well-known discoid lupus. Also the "dry eyes" ARE connected with this, as I read it is in fact a common symptom associated with lupus etc, also caused by autoimmune reaction that affects the tear ducts. There are many different symptoms that indicate autoimmune disease and at first it might seem they are not connected, but since the working of immune system of affected animal is genetically flawed, it is quite likely that even frequent ordinary skin inflammations (feet, ears, genitalia most commonly) etc are ultimately linked with a faulty immune system that attacks the dog's own cells and slows the healing. It seems some cases do not require intensive treatment, but others do, and from what I've heard/read, most use corticosteroids and/or immunosuppressive therapy. It is also normal for the disease to go into remission for periods of time when the symptoms lessen or sometimes almost entirely disappear. Sunlight might very well be one of the causes that worsens the problems due to loss of the protective pigment.

Hope this gives ideas and definitely should be worth a thought to those with such problems.

Best regards, Johanna & Irokon collies, Finland

Update 17th July
Message from owner, she feeds on Hills, with fresh meat and vegetables, all cooked as raw food gives her colic.

My rough collie is a male of 2 years and has had problems with the skin on his nose for about a year now. It has deteriorated in the past 2 months and he was diagnosed with pemphigus by the vets. He had a course of steroids which improved the condition although not completely, and he is now on a steroid on alternate days. He is still continuing to have problems with his nose, and is getting lesions around his eyes, and has lost the hair around them. I just wondered if anyone has experience of this condition? As he is only young I don't really want him to be on steroids long term but it seems that it may be the only option, unless there are some alternate remedies or treatments out there that may help. I would be very grateful for any advice at all,
many thanks
Amy

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Subject 1.
RESTRICTION OF COLOUR REGISTRATIONS

ROUGH COLLIE

At its meeting on 23 November 2004 the Committee approved the following restriction
on Rough Collie colour registrations,

effective from 1 January 2005:

Sable & white; tricolour; blue merle; non-standard.

25/11/04
For further information please contact
Press Office
020 7518 1008 / 1020
pressoffice@the-kennel-club.org.uk

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If anyone has any comments re the KC's new addition to our colour registrations for publication on this page - please email us at
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Thanks for all the emails - we understand that this is a new KC computer system which will now highlight any colour that is not one of our three recognised colours listed in the breed standard [ie sable & white/blue merle or tri-colour] that has been declared on the registration papers. The forms will be returned to the breeder to be amended, and if not amended registration will not go through.

Further information

As you may have gathered, the Kennel Club have issued a Restriction to the Registration of Colours for the Collie (Rough) Only
> As a member of the Kennel Club Breed Standards and Stud Book Committee (BSSB) where I represent the Pastoral Group, an item on the Agenda was the colour registrations of Rough Collies.
> This item submitted by the Rough Collie Breed Council (RCBC) with full approval of member collie clubs, requested that the KC only recognise the colours, as listed in the KC Breed Standard, for registration.
> For those of you with long memories, this has always been a request by the RCBC, going back for many many years and at last it has been recognised.
> On perusal of recent Breed Record Supplements, you will see some breeders have been submitting colour registrations which are technically not correct to our Breed Standard, for example: Wolf Grey, Black Brown and White, Gold and White, Dark Brown and White. Blue/White and Black - need I go on?
> Therefore, from the 1st January, those breeders who try to register colours which are not within the Breed Standard,
> i.e. Sable and White, Tricolour and Blue Merle may well have them returned with the colour listed as NON STANDARD.
> If this happens, the option may be given to re-register to the correct colour.
> Contrary to all current rumours it does not mean that Non Standard is a Colour!!!
> It is up to us all, as breeders, to ensure that when we register your puppies, they are register correctly
> By the way, at present, this only affects Rough Collies, not Smooths
> Also, for your information, Collies are NOT the ONLY Breed to have requested this change in colour registrations, as if reference is made to past KC Gazettes, you will find other breeds who have experienced similar problems
> I hope that this has helped you all to understand the reasoning behind this issue 207.04.
> Carole Smedley

Hello Carole,

Thanks for the clarification, however I have one query which you may be able to clear up.

If a person has a Collie with a registered colour as "Non Standard" would they be allowed to show it?
In all other aspects of the breed standard apart from height it is up to the individual to decide if a Collie meets the standard or not and it is acceptable to show it, therefore by allowing registration as a non standard allows a person to show collies of any colour, something which I have always thought as permissable, but have often been told that, say showing a white collie is not allowed.

Best Regards
Philip

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In Dog World issue December 10th 2004
Mrs Speding writes.....
"Another item resolved by the RCBC during the year is the vexed question of the acceptable colours allowed when registering litters. Years ago, during Pat Mildon's term as secretary, the KC agreed with the RCBC that the three colours laid down in the Standard, sable and white, tri-colour and blue merle, were the acceptable colours.

Recently, due to the changes in the computer system at the KC and the KC policy of registering every puppy, no matter how the colour was described on the litter registration form, we have weird and wonderfully coloured collies registered. Once again the RCBC raised the matter with the KC and the Council reiterated its previous position, agreed by all the clubs, that only the three Standard colours were acceptable.

The RCBC and the KC have agreed; "The following restriction on Rough Collie colour registrations, effective from Jan 1 2005 ; sable and white, tricolour, blue merle and non-Standard. This means that only the three colours as stated, will be accepted and any variation will be classed as non-standard and the registration form will be returned to the breeder for amendment". Lets hope this ends the matter.

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Various breeders have asked about this subject and it still seems to be causing confusion between us and the KC.
At January 2005 we have the folowing responses from the KC in relationship to how they will deal with the registrations of non-standard listing and indeed what can be shown.

I am writing in response to your recent enquiry regarding the colour
restriction on Rough Collie registrations, which became effective on 1
January 2005. This in no way affects eligibility for entry to Kennel Club
licensed events. If a dog is not registered as one of the listed colours and
is therefore registered with the non-standard colour description, it can
still be entered for competition in the usual way. Any subsequent awards
achieved would be valid, provided there has been no breach of Regulations.

I hope that this guidance will be of assistance.

Yours sincerely

Caroline Hallett
Manager - Registered Societies
STA DEPARTMENT"

Thank you for your recent enquiry regarding Rough Collie Colours. The new
> restriction on colour registrations does not affect eligibility for
> exhibition - any registered dog can be shown, including non-standard
> colours.
>
> If the registrations department receives colours which are not listed,
> then efforts would be made to advise the applicant of the permissible
> colours.
>
> I hope that this guidance will be of assistance.
>
> Yours sincerely
> Caroline Hallett

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Insurance for Show dogs

Following a conversation with a dog breeder it turned out that when trying to register a new puppy with the same company used for the last 10 years or so, a different question was asked by the Insurers - ie is this for working or leisure. When told by the owner that the dog was shown the Insurer then refused the registration. Having spoken to the Insurers they do say that they are operating a"pet" insurance service.....and apparently you are only allowed to go to three shows a year, and as a breeder it is classed as a trade or business where profit is made. The poor chap on the phone checked with his under-writers and they implied that we might get rewards at a show....I did explain that we pay to go to shows and if we are lucky enough to get placed we actually get a rosette of card....not any money..... But nevertheless if you have a breeding bitch or show your dog regularly this would not be covered by this particular company.

I have rung round to a number of companies and a lot had to check with their underwriters, some were quite happy to accept show dogs, as their interpretation of a working dog was one used for guarding or racing etc.... so that was fine but some said a downright NO to show dogs.

When you are insuring your dogs our advice would be to check whether the company you choose does actually cover "show dogs".

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Subject 1. RESTRICTION OF COLOUR REGISTRATIONS

ROUGH COLLIE

Insurance for Show dogs

Subject 1.
RESTRICTION OF COLOUR REGISTRATIONS